A word of warning for those wanting a managerial change… by willesden seadog User: willesden seadog

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 19:05:25, 119 views.

before the end of the season.

Who do you suppose would come in and do the job until the end of the season? I suppose you would expect someone "better"? Who is there with a better track record who would leave their current jobs at the business end of the season, without a highly paid contract being put on the table - something I believe we should be looking to avoid?

Also where would the new players suddenly appear from? Again there would be screams if there was no sudden improvement. The majority of better players are with clubs challenging for honours. How many of them would leave their present clubs? What happens if we end up with a scratch team with gates dropping drastically as players brought in by Brian also decide that enough is enough at the Boro? Who’s going to provide the financial shortfall?

I’m not advocating giving Brian a whopping new contract, but sometimes you should be very careful what you wish for in the short term just to satisfy mood swings.

You need to consider ALL the facts before arriving at knee jerk decisions.

*Positive thinking achieves more than apathy or negativity - FACT*

Exactly Rob… by ssenkrad eht otni

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 19:23:41, 72 views. In reply to 'A word of warning for those wanting a managerial change…'

To all the detractors, if you can do a better job than BF then why don’t you either put up or shut up?

Simples! ;-)

RE: Exactly Rob… by park st seadog

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 20:00:28, 73 views. In reply to 'Exactly Rob…'

I have yet to read a headline on here saying brian should get the sack along with we should be getting promoted this year although if the latter happened i wouldnt complain,what i think is very plain to see is that brians comments after defeats or bad performances arent even similar they are identical.It probably would be better received if he was to say to get out of this league we must improve. rather than the chopping n changing lines.in my opinion brian might shake it up tommorow with one change at the most,personally my team would be …………..reid,wood,hartas,gibson,kemp,hartley,ellis,phillips,miller,blott,northen………..subs………griffin,craven,ricardo.

RE: Exactly Rob… by mjc

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 08:32:05, 35 views. In reply to 'Exactly Rob…'

And the award for the most ridiculous comment ever on a football web-site is won. Dearie, dearie me. Can anybody who has not played at Step 7 or above please refrain from commenting on any player or indeed anything to do with Boro from now on because unless YOU can do a better job you’re not entitled to a point of view. By the way, on the Brian France situation , I’m firmly in the undecided camp but would hope that those closer to the situation ask some searching questions, evaluate the answers and make a decision quickly and if that means giving Brian a contract for next season now and telling him to concentrate on next season, then all well and good.

RE: A word of warning for those wanting a managerial change… by jason bourne User: jason bourne

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 20:39:37, 82 views. In reply to 'A word of warning for those wanting a managerial change…'

Just so I don’t have to trawl back over the last couple of days Rob, exactly how many people were looking for a managerial change before the end of the season?

You’ve also brought back to the table the subject of a ’highly paid contract being put on the table ’. I’m with you - it’s not just something we should be looking to avoid, we shouldn’t be offering that at all - but that includes Brian as well. All I was advocating was setting our stall out now for when his contract ends in the summer. There have been times when I have felt the tail is wagging the dog here, Brian is granted all he asks for, and the Board pander to his every whim. This issue could well prove a great test of their resolve.

I set out clearly last night what I wanted to happen, in that I was happy for Brian to continue past this summer (at the moment anyway), but he didn’t receive a new contract, accepted less money on a personal basis, and a lower playing budget. I also put a marker down for my expectations which was promotion and a decent cup run (FA Cup or Vase). I apologise if you feel I haven’t been careful enough in what I wish for!

Totalshell then used sarcasm as a defence mechanism to avoid the subject, and clearly doesn’t have my aspirations and expectations. You tell me what you would like to see with regard to Brian in the summer, and your ideal outcome for the 2010/11 season?

I agreed pretty much with what you said Jason… by willesden seadog User: willesden seadog

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 20:44:29, 68 views. In reply to 'RE: A word of warning for those wanting a managerial change…'

but there are plenty of posts today hinting they would like a change.

I just feel that many of our fans (and complete apologies if I have read it wrong), don’t understand how football at this level works regarding managers and players.

I was merely warning of the pitfalls.

IMHO we do need to take stock as the season nears completion, on and off the park and learn from any previous unforseen problems.

*Positive thinking achieves more than apathy or negativity - FACT*

As for ”the tail is wagging the dog”…… by willesden seadog User: willesden seadog

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 20:52:54, 75 views. In reply to 'I agreed pretty much with what you said Jason…'

perhaps the board are being sympathetic to a man who has served the club very well, but is currently suffering extremely trying personal problems, as well as missing someone who obviously had a massive effect on performances.

I personally cannot fault them with that stance, although again taking stock in the summer is no doubt necessary, for all parties.

*Positive thinking achieves more than apathy or negativity - FACT*

woof by totalshell User: totalshell

Posted: 8/2/2010 at 22:56:07, 58 views. In reply to 'As for ”the tail is wagging the dog”……'

lets briefly review the season
mr hoyle leaves for the colonies messers thomson and hepples decide that thier talents will be better rewarded at pickering town. mr waltham decides that rugby league is more his bag and mr bramley chucks his toys out of the window thats 5 out of 11 championship winners out of the equation before we win a game. ace defenders turn out to be rank (brewsters millions) and some join and leave the next week ever presents last season spend most of the season in A and E ( gray ellis botham) and we struggle to make top four.

financially we’re up a gum tree trust members remain constant but VAT is a stane around our necks . break even is forecast just as the worst winter for 30 years arrives and all our golden eggs are now omlettes

09/10 will not be a glory season but if we can take stock in the embers of it ( march/ april) and come out with the stated and clear aim of promotion in 10/11 we’ll cruise it. Brian france is the man for the job i’m absolutely certain of it.

B2B you know it makes sense..

Barking by Huntriss Row Seadog

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 00:00:48, 50 views. In reply to 'woof'

Hepples and Bramley left after we had won games.

Ace defenders turn out to be rank? Who signed them in the first place?

Struggle to make the top four? We were top in November.

Directors were aware that V.A.T was going to be an element and budgeted accordingly. Well Im sure thats what was said at the AGM. I stand to be corrected though.

Break even was forecast at the AGM in November. This was before the continuing bad winter and losses that the postponed games caused. Im sure I remember a "four figure loss" being mentioned for the Boxing Day game alone.

So we still stand to progress in the NRSC. And top four is stil a possibility. We are not going to "cruise it" next season as I believe its imperative that the board follow Jason Bourne’s excellent grasp of the problem and its solution. We either have "never broke a budget" Brian on a vastly reduced contract and playing budget. Or a new manager and probably a consquential wholesale change of playing staff.

Either will ensure twenty ten/eleven will be a struggle. No struggle No promotion? I hope not.

whimper by totalshell User: totalshell

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 00:33:59, 50 views. In reply to 'Barking'

why must the playing budget be slashed/ vastly reduced?
our esteemed leader mr g brown states that to cut back when income is reduced will stifle recovery and the good ship gb aint sunk yet so for me lets cut the cloth. we can estimate attendances review admission prices ( as has been promised) and ho hang on we can afford a promotion likely team managed by B France esq…

B2B you know it makes sense..

My two penneth by eastridingseadog User: eastridingseadog

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 09:12:01, 55 views. In reply to 'whimper'

I'm no advocate of churning over managers. Despite 09/10 being a season that hasn't really lived up to my expectations (I didn't expect promotion - but I did expect better cup performances and not to be made to look poor by teams at the bottom of the division) I'd still be relatively happy to see Brian in charge next season, even more so with a fit and healthy Darren at his side in the dug out.

However, I'm with Jason on the issue of contracts. I see absolutely no point in handing them out at this level of football. I recall that BF leveraged his SAFC contract after a number of “offers” came in from other clubs and I understand why the board had to respond at that juncture. That said, my view, and I extend this to the management of my staff, is, if money is the only determinant of your willingness to work for us (or anyone else for that matter) then you are free to try your luck elsewhere. Two and a half seasons down the line SAFC has an established reputation in non league circles and should be confident enough not to be held over a barrel by anyone on the management or playing side, especially when the trophy cabinet is hardly struggling to cope.

The profitability of SAFC is not just about maximising the income streams, it's also about managing the cost base of which staffing / expenses is our biggest budget line. Again I concur with Jason in that I believe now is the time to be planning to manage these costs ahead of next season.

Finally, this isn't a dig, but why does it take so long to organise a replica kit for 2010-2011? All the talk of July / August delivery? The world cup starts in mid-June, I'd love to have been be able to nip down the pub to watch the England games in my new Boro top…

** Scarborough Athletic FC - football for freethinkers **

Good Post by Gomersal Seadog User: Gomersal Seadog

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 10:06:51, 57 views. In reply to 'My two penneth'

That about sums up my thoughts. The post by Jason was exactly what I would have expected
to be in the minds of our board members and it will be a true test of their resolve to take what
will be finely balanced judgements. The board have not published management accounts for
this season and that should be a real warning siren to every member. I fully expect that when
we do get some belated figures, they will not show the break even position that was forecast
by the board at the AGM but will show a level of loss that should disturb members. How to tackle
that financial position is the real issue that needs to be addressed by the board sooner rather
than later and it is difficult to see many quick fixes. I am sure that I am not the only member that
is watching for some signs that the newly elected board is functioning effectively

GOMERSAL SEADOG

A lesson in Economics and Maths for you Totalshell by jason bourne User: jason bourne

Posted: 9/2/2010 at 10:07:45, 53 views. In reply to 'whimper'

Our UNELECTED esteemed leader Mr Brown, has no more idea about the present state of the uk economy than our Board do about todays state of our finances. I wouldn’t trust him with my grandaughters pocket money! Whilst the good ship UK hasn’t sunk yet, it would not take a great deal for us to replicate the good ship Titanic - and that includes any interest rise to stave off ’inflation’ - which would be financial suicide for the country. Businesses are hanging on by a thread, and Banks are just hanging onto our money. Public sector borrowing is through the roof and your granchildren are going to be saddled with debt for years to come. We have borrowed to try and stave off the executioner that is the EMF and losing our excellent world credit rating.

and so to the maths;

Last years Audited figures, which just about made it to us before the AGM in November, showed a net profit of £7k for a 14month period - lets call that £500 p.m. between friends. Since that point,
1. We have made a £1200 loss on ’social / fundraising events’ compared to £1300 profit in those figures (net movement then £2500)
2. We are likely to have a bbad debt of £2500 represented by the Y50 sponsorship money
3. We had a net contribution last year of over £8000 from ’merchandising’ which to a large degree was shirt sales (which we won’t have this year)
4. We have the possibility of an unknown / unspecified shortfall on the back of the impact of VAT
5. The increased number of midweek games is likley to have had an impact on the overall gate receipts

On the above basis then, I expect us to produce a loss this year - and not an insignificant one at that. As to your latter point - yes we can estimate attendences, and review admission prices, but you are gambling future income against present, or possible increased expenditure commmitments. I am sure I need not explain to you the folly of that method of working, and I for one don’t want to progress down that line. All I have said is we need to set our stall out now - whether or not Brian is the right man!

Feel free to reply and justify you comment - ’ why must the playing budget be slashed/ vastly reduced?’ - I look forward to it!