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Bigger Picture by DudleySeadog User: DudleySeadog

Posted: 13/11/2017 at 23:16:53, 183 views.

People really aren’t looking further afield here, we average double/treble the crowds we had in Brid, and we keep more of that money than we did before. We will now as a result of those crowds take in more money naturally via programmes, team sheets, golden gamble, food/drink and merchandise. Not to mention the sheer volume of sponsorship boards that the ground now has, that is clearly a lot of money being pumped into the club from a sponsorship perspective. Then finally, our 6 figure sponsorship deal. SIX FIGURE. Anyone who got the club finances for 2016/17 a month or so ago will know just how huge that sum of money on it’s own is in comparison to where the club was financially 2 years ago.

Now that we have touched on the income, let’s put some extra perspective on why finishing in the tail end of the playoffs isn’t good enough. We spent an additional 30-40% in 16/17 than in 15/16 overall on playing/coaching staff, now i reckon on average the teams finishing top 3 probably have an increase of 15-20% average on playing/coaching staff (someone please correct me with factual sources if i’m wrong), with the exception of clubs like Shields who probably had around 30-40% increase on their expenditure on players/coaches, maybe more, than last season. That 30-40% was 16/17 and we came third, and by my reckoning with the volume of players and quality (Wright, Beadle, Coulson) we have probably heavily invested further and increased our spend by another good 25-30%. With that in mind, by no means should we be accepting losing to 2 play off rivals in such a poor manner when we have such large amount of resources behind us. Reason for those defeats? Poor tactics and lack of knowledge of our best 11 by our manager. I’d say currently 4/5 of our players each week are constants that he knows will start the game. Coulson, Wright, Merris and Taylor. The rest will be used sporadically it seems. In November, we cannot still be looking to source our best 11, only knowing just under half the players that are ever presents, simply isn’t good enough. Around 8-9 players should be constant first team selections with their positions on the pitch cemented rather than played pillar to post every other week. This is exactly why we do get found out by teams who have a game plan against us, as we have no plan B to counter it. We play a mish mash of nice football for 10 mins followed by long ball for 20 then repeat. We don’t seem to have an alternative to turn a game around at times, we look beaten soon as we get sussed.

Final reason behind my views on Kittrick is man management - or the lack of. Undermined 2 local players now in 2 years. That can’t keep happening, player trust in the manager will diminish very quickly, he may have gotten away with it with Rory as he wasn’t a senior squad player, but Billy is. Look at pre-season and how many players left the club, sure a fair handful bettered themselves and are player in higher leagues, but realistically i’d like to think last seasons squad with 1 or 2 faces would have easily won us promotion this season, without a doubt. Then when we do replace the faces, we end up with an abundance of strikers, then now somehow have ended up short of strikers, how on earth has the manager allowed that to happen? It’s on his watch, he has to take his share of the blame for it because as the manager the buck stops with him in regards to this squad.

We may be 4th, we may have 33 goals, and we may achieve 2pts average per game. Problem is, we earnt a chunk of that prior to being found out, we’ve dropped 7 points in 3 away matches, that realistically we should have dropped 2/3 maximum in. Not good enough. I wouldn’t have gone to the lengths i have done if i really didn’t feel like Kittrick is taking us on a slippery slope backwards, can we afford to keep piling in extra amounts of money only for us to fail the objective of promotion??

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But we have to be careful what we wish for by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 00:11:10, 136 views. In reply to 'Bigger Picture'

As someone else pointed out, we could easily have a Gary Rowett situation on our hands where Birmingham sacked him when they were doing pretty well, and were certainly in the promotion/play-off mix, and instead, they appointed Zola and ended up almost being relegated. They’re not exactly doing any better this season either. Sometimes, in football, you really don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone.

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Except that in this case by MAlcD

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 08:55:02, 116 views. In reply to 'But we have to be careful what we wish for'

We have literally taken a parking lot and turned it into paradise :)

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I don’t understand … by Anony Mouse

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 00:48:59, 140 views. In reply to 'Bigger Picture'

the post tbh.

Finances. Why do you say we get to keep more than we have before ? Granted our income is greater. But so is our expenditure (Insurances, Stewards etc). Yes we have sponsorship boards that we didn’t have before. Remember huge the six-figure sponsorship deal is controlled by the council and is ring-fenced though, it’s not ours to spend on players.

Next we have some fag packet maths. You want correcting with factual sources but your statements are all ‘I reckon’ and ‘probably’. There is little concrete evidence that we have such a ‘large amount of resources behind us’ compared to other teams. You know Julio Arca at Shields is rumoured to be on £1k a week (plus he gets bonuses linked to the attendances) right ? You may be right about the quality but is Wright more expensive than say Benny or Jacob Hazel last season? Remember Wright is not an SAFC player.

Selection. I have 7 who are constant selections, nearer to your 8/9 than your suggested 4/5. Taylor, Merris, Hewitt, Daly, Dean, Wright, Coulson. Could add Valentine but I haven’t because he has been used in a few different positions. Could now add Jack Johnson who looks to have earnt the right back spot. SK has said often he wanted an experienced defender and a centre forward. He knows what he needs, he just has to get the right one (or maybe just a body at CF for the minute).

What makes you think we’be been ‘found out’? We’Ve hit a bit of poor form. We’ve lost 2/3 away from home. We could easily have picked up 5 or 7 points though with a bit more luck (yes, I was at all 3 games), It happens. It’s football.

As for players leaving, that is always going to happen when they are not getting regular first team football. They don’t get paid if they are not in the squad. Would you hang around if it meant you were out of pocket each week? Especially if you had mates texting you saying ‘come and play for us’.

Stop panicking!

Do you think I would have gone to the lengths of this post if I didn’t think we were in a pretty decent position ?

Maybe you are right, maybe I am. BUT the board have committed to letting SK have a chance at earning promotion for us. You have to let him have that chance. Who would want to come and manage us if we axed a manager who had us in 4th (3rd if you take games in hand) and had just taken us on an FA Cup run that was the longest in the clubs history ? You talk about player trust in the manager, but the manager has to trust the club (fans included) to give him a fair crack.

Let’s get behind him and the players on Saturday. Let’s encourage not discourage. Let’s do our bit.

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RE: Bigger Picture by Tree User: Tree

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 01:03:44, 130 views. In reply to 'Bigger Picture'

Remember that terrible film with Hugh Grant in, The Man Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain? They’re going to base the sequel on this and call it “The Man Who Went Up a Molehill, Came Down, and Discovered it Still Wasn’t a Mountain"

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In simple analysis…. by willesden seadog User: willesden seadog

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 08:07:31, 143 views. In reply to 'RE: Bigger Picture'

South Shields will walk the league. We are in a mini league with Hyde, Bamber Bridge, Glossop and maybe Prescot and Ossett Town for second place.

Time will tell if we’re good enough to finish as runners-up. I suspect we’ll be in the play-offs, or can maybe sneak one of the 3rd place promotion spots if we accrue enough points; although that’s an outside chance in such a tight division.

Is that good enough? I think that largely depends on if we win the play-offs or not. I’m not particularly bothered how we go up; but there will never be a better opportunity to do so. We must not waste it.

Have to agree with Dudley’s post re tactics and man management. Very poor, but not helped by players going public on social media and then stating what goes on in the dressing room should stay there; without a hint of irony. Although I would be bloody fuming in Logan’s position in fairness.

The match on the Saturday before Christmas at Hyde will be critical. Let’s hope we learned something from our previous two encounters.

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Agree with original post… by New Seadog

Posted: 14/11/2017 at 14:22:38, 116 views. In reply to 'In simple analysis….'

…in terms of man-management or lack of. Logan is right to be livid if the manager has said he wants to be an impact sub and he hasn’t said that. I mean, why would a player say that? Does any player at any level want to be on the bench? I don’t think so. It seemed odd at the time, and seems even more so now.

I don’t understand why the player gets criticised for posting something publicly on social media and letting things ‘out of the dressing room’. Yet the manager has also gone public with something ‘from the dressing room’ by telling everyone what has supposedly been said. It can’t work one way and not the other, plus the manager should lead by example if he doesn’t want things out in public.

Going right back to the start, I also don’t think the manager needs to justify his selection publicly (even though it made absolutely no sense to me personally). It would’ve avoided all this from the start.

Not sure on finances as I don’t have the numbers, but you would expect we would be one of the highest spenders on wages int the league, if rumours of players wages are to be believed.

The final judgement on the manager will be at the end of the season as people have stated, but those who know football will know these signs are the start of things potentially unfurling. Potentially. I hope not.

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