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Town mourns passing of Boro legend Colin Appleton by Old Git

Posted: 10/6/2021 at 11:48:37, 65 views.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/sport/football/town-mourns-passing-of-boro-legend-colin-appleton-3267290

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Assistant manager Ingham raring to go by Old Git

Posted: 8/6/2021 at 18:18:01, 89 views.

from official site

http://www.scarboroughathletic.com/news/2021-06-08/assistant-manager-ingham-raring-to-go?fbclid=IwAR21UxV30i5XfqlHWIMdDoF5b0XihtLnpU3Qat5wl3OQ7_AuFnK5PHprrK4

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Darren Kelly joins Newport by Neil (HucknallSeadog) User: Neil (HucknallSeadog)

Posted: 8/6/2021 at 07:47:04, 99 views.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57393771

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PSFriendly. by Seamer unregistered

Posted: 3/6/2021 at 11:51:03, 124 views.

Cleethorpes Town home 31stJuly 3pm.

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Glynn commits to Boro by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 3/6/2021 at 10:19:38, 71 views.

http://www.scarboroughathletic.com/news/2021-06-02/glynn-commits-to-boro

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Colin Appleton passes away. Official site by Old Git

Posted: 31/5/2021 at 14:06:37, 61 views.

http://www.scarboroughathletic.com/news/2021-05-31/scarborough-footballing-legend-colin-appleton-has-sadly-passed-away

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Scarborough Football legend Colin Appleton passes away at 85 by Old Git

Posted: 31/5/2021 at 13:42:03, 75 views.

RIP Colin Appleton and thanks for all the success you brought to the club
and for all the fabulous memories you created.

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RE: Scarborough Football legend Colin Appleton passes away at 85 by Seamer unregistered

Posted: 31/5/2021 at 16:48:56, 79 views. In reply to 'Scarborough Football legend Colin Appleton passes away at 85'

RIP Colin. Thanks for all the memories.

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Michael Coulson signs new deal with Scarborough Athletic by Old Git

Posted: 27/5/2021 at 20:09:16, 79 views.

Scarborough Athletic are delighted to confirm that skipper Michael Coulson has penned a new deal to keep him at the club.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/sport/football/skipper-michael-coulson-signs-new-deal-with-scarborough-athletic-3253306

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Michael ingham announced as assistant manager… by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 27/5/2021 at 13:13:37, 101 views.

And goalkeeper coach, and second choice (currently first choice) goalkeeper.

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Player-coach David Brown leaves Scarborough Athletic by Old Git

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 16:32:04, 133 views.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/sport/football/player-coach-david-brown-leaves-scarborough-athletic-3247104

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Jono Greening take over reins at Boro by Old Git

Posted: 21/5/2021 at 13:30:36, 265 views.

http://www.scarboroughathletic.com/news/2021-05-21/jono-greening-take-over-reins-at-boro

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RE: Jono Greening take over reins at Boro by Derek Abbeys Tache

Posted: 22/5/2021 at 20:38:37, 206 views. In reply to 'Jono Greening take over reins at Boro '

Glad to see we’ve moved away from managers who have got experience of managing at this level.

Good that Greening has got experience of managing Tadcaster U21s Crimson team - that’ll stand us in great stead when we’re 5 down at home to South Shields.

I’m assuming Trevor Dull hasn’t appointed him as a vanity project

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Hahaha by Nick Finch

Posted: 22/5/2021 at 22:12:14, 175 views. In reply to 'RE: Jono Greening take over reins at Boro '

If you used your real name you could even stand for election and volunteer your time for running our football club.

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Totally agree by Uptheboro

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 09:13:22, 183 views. In reply to 'RE: Jono Greening take over reins at Boro '

Well said totally agree awful appointment wanted someone who knew what they were doing last Tuesday the board and everyone were left devasted that the talking machine Darren Kelly had gone then by Friday they had interviewed all of the other managers who applied what a load of rubbish you can’t set something up like this in 2 or 3 days as for Trevor dull lol he appointed John deacey who was shocking I think its time they step a side too what has scarboroigh athletic done same as the old scarborough fc nothing all they say is were this massive club who gets crowds of 1000 a week so what if we never do anything all our star players left last season then hero Darren who won 14 games out of 29 wow he was the saviour but when you look really what has he done nothing we were ' desperate for a striker last season and a goalkeeper why does everything have too stay local Steve Roberts never got a chance after kittrick the chairman and board have no football experience what so ever what was the point of building the new stand it took most of the atmosphere away from behind the goal they would of been better stengthing the squad we should be walking through these leagues not letting our best players leave for Buxton

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RE: Totally agree by Terry Hope

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 10:23:26, 159 views. In reply to 'Totally agree'

If you give me your bank details I’ll drop you a few quid to purchase some punctuation. Will still read the same shite though.

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Could not have put it better n/t by Nick Finch

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 10:30:11, 128 views. In reply to 'RE: Totally agree'


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RE: RE: Totally agree by Uptheboro

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 10:46:17, 154 views. In reply to 'RE: Totally agree'

Keep your money ' Terry and put it towards paint the town red bullshit and let’s see where we are this time time next year with the same old excuses 😉 😀 😄

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Keep hiding fella……….n/t by Nick Finch

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 11:03:41, 129 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: Totally agree'


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RE: Keep hiding fella……….n/t by Uptheboro

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 12:48:55, 127 views. In reply to 'Keep hiding fella……….n/t'

Keep lying fella

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Bitter by Nick Finch

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 13:01:55, 123 views. In reply to 'RE: Keep hiding fella……….n/t'

Is someone a little bitter?

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RE: Bitter by Uptheboro

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 13:49:06, 118 views. In reply to 'Bitter'

Why would I be feeling bitter im just expressing my opinion if we all don’t follow your opinion were classed as bitter anyway why wasn’t Jono giving the job when he applied the past 2 or 3 times I remember when the laughable John deacey was giving the job he was the right man for the job we were all told look what happened there we need a manager with proven experience in this league for his connection with players etc I wish jono greening well and hope he does do something but I can’t see it myself whats the point of having the best stadium in our league and leagues above when the team isn’t upto it on the pitch if we had a winning team the fans would be there week in week out we could easy get another 500 to a 1000 a week if we were top of the league look at South sheilds properly run club and there going places while we stand still manager after manager im not bitter at all just disillusioned with 40 years of bull following scarborough

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Opinion by Nick Finch

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 14:11:38, 168 views. In reply to 'RE: Bitter'

Be open with who you are and then I would happily accept your opinion. At the moment its worthless.
My issue and only real issue is you seem to have all the answers but I cannot see you doing anything. Stand for election and make the changes you feel are required. That’s all from me. I am going back into retirement.
Get off social media and do something about it.

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RE: Opinion by Uptheboro

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 14:46:18, 147 views. In reply to 'Opinion'

Thankyou nick finch for your comment im not after a argument or anything you have done well getting them back too where they are now but none of this should ever of been allowed in the first place I’ve been too Barnet I’ve been to crewe I’ve been to torquay United I’ve been too Portsmouth Oldham Southampton Southend in all those years we only had 2 really good managers in Neil warnock and stevie wicks those were the exciting times the rest have been crap really we need a team too be proud of again the first season we came home from brid was amazing the whole town were behind the club again the crowds were up everything was positive again seeing people wearing boro shirts etc and it seems too have stalled again since then I know this pandemic hasn’t helped but seeing poor Nathan cartman struggling up front on his own while James walshaw left was shocking we have the opportunity too get going again this season and make the whole town proud again and I don’t think this was the best appointment we could have made I really hope jono does well but I can’t see it myself we need the managers from Leeds way and up north too bring the players in we need im sorry if I have upset anyone but all we want is a team to be proud of again !!!!!

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RE: RE: Opinion by Terry Hope

Posted: 23/5/2021 at 15:28:40, 134 views. In reply to 'RE: Opinion'

Interesting reading but I’m completely out of breath. Here are a few for starters. Please use wisely - .,.,.,.,;,,,..
On a serious note South Shields are a very well run club but the initial and I suspect continued impetus is from the chairman’s wealth, without which they wouldn’t be where they are now. Ambition is worthy but it has to be aligned with financial standing.
Also I feel we’ve had more than 2 good managers in your time frame! Colin Addison (almost kept us up from an unlikely position) Russell Slade (financial constraints), Brian France and Steve Kittrick.
Let’s all wish Jono well and get behind a group of volunteers whose efforts allow us to watch football in Scarborough.

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RE: RE: RE: Opinion by joshlawrance User: joshlawrance

Posted: 25/5/2021 at 18:00:36, 138 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: Opinion'

Wants a team to be proud of. Says for most it we’ve been shite apart from 2 managers.

I honestly don’t know what you expect and you don’t either. Rantings of a mad man.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: Opinion by Dan

Posted: 25/5/2021 at 19:59:58, 130 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: Opinion'

Very weird how this lad seems to criticise TB for appointing an inexperienced manager whilst also slagging off the appointments of Deacey and Kelly, both experienced at this level. I too am underwhelmed by this appointment but JG has played at the highest level, got the highest coaching qualification, has an affinity with the club and has coached at Nottingham Forest, he deserves better than having dickheads online slating him before he’s even begun.

Will also state here that the weird notion that “being a good manager at this level is entirely dependent on having good contacts" is froth and needs putting to bed, Brian France, Rudy Funk and even Steve Kittrick did good jobs for us and there was far more to their work than simply having a list of phone numbers.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Opinion by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 28/5/2021 at 17:49:16, 99 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: Opinion'

One of my favourite parts of this guy’s incoherent ignorant drivel is the bit where he says we shouldn’t have built the new stand as it spoilt the atmosphere in the stand behind the goal (you know, the one that has 4 shallow steps that everyone was crushed in and didn’t provide any cover for all the people standing in front of it) and should have blown the money on the squad instead. Seemingly completely ignorant to the fact that the vast majority of the money for it was from grants and money from the council from ground sponsorship which had been ring-fenced for ground improvements only. Not forgetting the fact that we wouldn’t be able to play in the higher levels for very long with the ground as it was, so what would have been the point of spending the money on a team with the aim of playing at higher levels that the ground wasn’t fit for. Who exactly would have paid for the ground improvements then? Idiot :)

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In the words of the boy from the milk advert by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 30/5/2021 at 15:31:28, 90 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Opinion'

Exaccctly

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Can I just say by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 26/5/2021 at 23:33:12, 112 views. In reply to 'Jono Greening take over reins at Boro '

I think it’s an excellent appointment.

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RE: Can I just say by joshlawrance User: joshlawrance

Posted: 27/5/2021 at 12:27:31, 106 views. In reply to 'Can I just say'

if you like. go for it

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Defender Harry Coates leaves Scarborough Athletic by Old Git

Posted: 18/5/2021 at 12:49:46, 152 views.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/sport/football/defender-harry-coates-leaves-scarborough-athletic-3240692?fbclid=IwAR2zZyO97SlTleBJgbbJFqlODZ8jBpKgXryNV3xCp1XYSSZpc7gFsNldSqY

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RE: Defender Harry Coates leaves Scarborough Athletic by Uptheboro

Posted: 21/5/2021 at 13:23:37, 105 views. In reply to 'Defender Harry Coates leaves Scarborough Athletic'

Jono greening new manager

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He’s ended up at our rivals Ashton United. n/t by seadog365 User: seadog365

Posted: 26/5/2021 at 23:33:35, 56 views. In reply to 'Defender Harry Coates leaves Scarborough Athletic'


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Departing Boro boss Darren Kelly praises fans,board by Old Git

Posted: 18/5/2021 at 09:16:26, 433 views.

and players in farewell message

He said: “I have stepped away from my role as manager and I am not going to be a manager anywhere else.

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ooops! see Scarborough News by Old Git

Posted: 18/5/2021 at 09:17:35, 122 views. In reply to 'Departing Boro boss Darren Kelly praises fans,board '


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ex club seratary for 10 years by Mr john CLARKE

Posted: 17/5/2021 at 18:33:31, 176 views.

i would like to RECOMEND LEE SINNOT WHO KNOWS THE LEAGUE AND LOCal players ANDTHE PLAYERS IN THE AREA
LEE WOULD MAKE A GOOD MANAGER ON THE SAME STYLY AS BRIAN FRANCE. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT IS TURNING THE CLOCK BACK BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TO BE A WINNER AND SUCCESSFUL

YOUR J CLARKE
EX SECRETARY FOR 10 YEARS

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RE: ex club seratary for 10 years by Dunno

Posted: 18/5/2021 at 20:20:07, 120 views. In reply to 'ex club seratary for 10 years '

cheers Lee

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RE: ex club seratary for 10 years by Cynic

Posted: 19/5/2021 at 08:28:52, 112 views. In reply to 'ex club seratary for 10 years '

I hope you weren’t responsible for writing any letters on behalf of the club.

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Darren Kelly by Garton Seadog

Posted: 17/5/2021 at 16:20:58, 180 views.

A club statement said: “The 41-year-old, who joined at the end of 2019, has opted to leave the Flamingo Land Stadium to take a role at an EFL club.

“Kelly had been in charge for 29 competitive games during his time as Boro boss, winning 14 of them.

“The board would like to say a massive thank you to Darren for all he has done for the club and we wish him the very best for the future."

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RE: Darren Kelly by Armchairdog User: Armchairdog

Posted: 17/5/2021 at 18:02:47, 126 views. In reply to 'Darren Kelly '

Very disappointing but understandable if he’s had an offer from a football league club. At least he’s not left us mid-season or gone to a competitor club that’s likely to poach our best players. Good luck to him.

I don’t think we’ll short of applicants to replace him.

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Darren’s Departure by BoroNo7 User: BoroNo7

Posted: 17/5/2021 at 16:20:34, 146 views.

Sadly this was always going to happen sooner rather than later - he can obviously be successful at a much higher level than the NPL

Unfortunately last season the Virus robbed us of what I was anticipating would be a successful season of significant improvement but good luck to Darren

He leaves us as a more professional outfit than when he joined and his successor has a good platform to build on

Thanks again Darren - I and a few others I’m sure will be watching your progress with interest

UTB

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All the best to Darren by Old Git

Posted: 17/5/2021 at 20:44:30, 109 views. In reply to 'Darren’s Departure'

he deserves the chance to manage at higher level.
Hope it means we have PSF already booked.

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Grimsby by David Malton

Posted: 27/4/2021 at 23:42:02, 190 views.

Grimsby relegated bring back max Wright.

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European Super Non-League by Dunno

Posted: 27/4/2021 at 12:34:19, 97 views.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/halifax-town-torquay-united-and-stockport-county-join-european-super-non-league-20210419207270

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Colne FC seeks to score with new stadium scheme by Old Git

Posted: 26/4/2021 at 17:36:27, 148 views.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19259518.colne-fc-seeks-score-new-stadium-scheme/

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How the ESL was dealt the killer blow, for now by Old Git

Posted: 23/4/2021 at 20:57:07, 60 views.

Again from The Guardian

‘We did what fans do best – we united’: how supporters’ groups fought the ESL

A small group of volunteers – and the army of fans behind them – helped defeat giants’ masterplan

Joe Blott was at his mother-in-law’s last Sunday. It was her 83rd birthday and Blott, the chair of the Liverpool supporters’ group Spirit of Shankly, and his wife had popped into the garden to say hello. His phone started buzzing. Blott switched it to silent, but the caller persisted. Annoyed, he apologised, took the phone from his pocket and saw a message from Kevin Miles, the chief executive of the Football Supporters’ Association (FSA). “Can you ring me urgently?” it read. “We’ve got something major going on in Europe.”

That was an understatement. At lunchtime, news had leaked of a shocking development. Six Premier League clubs – Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea – were planning to join a breakaway European Super League. The project’s founder clubs were to share an initial €3.5bn “infrastructure grant”, and the structure meant they couldn’t be relegated.

“Sunday was terrible,” says Blott. “I’m a fan first of all, and for Liverpool to do this … I felt hurt, I felt sad, I felt angry. I felt let down.”

With the backing of billionaires, the proposal appeared to be an unstoppable juggernaut that would change the game for ever. But little more than 48 hours later, the commercial masterplan of these European footballing giants lay in tatters, thanks in no small part to the actions of a relatively small group of unpaid volunteers in supporters’ groups – and the army of fans behind them. “We did what football fans do best: we united,” says Blott. “We all got together and said: ‘What are we going to do about this?’ Then we just got on with it.”

Martin Cloake, a co-chair of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust, describes a period of frenzied activity on Sunday afternoon as fans rivalries were set aside. Representatives from the six English clubs’ fanbases created a WhatsApp group called simply ESL, and the fight was on. “We just started working every contact we had, making immediate statements of unity between all the clubs involved and making sure we talked to colleagues at clubs outside the so-called big six,” he says. “This wasn’t just about us, it was about the whole game.”

MPs were called, tweets were sent, contacts at the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport were bombarded. By 6pm the Sky Sports pundit Gary Neville had called the idea “an absolute disgrace”. The UK government then called the mooted plans “damaging for football”.

When the official announcement of the ESL came at 11pm on Sunday, Tim Payton saw the statement tweeted by Arsenal’s owners and retweeted it from the Arsenal Supporters’ Trust account, adding the words: “The death of a sporting institution.”
By Monday all the main supporters groups had released statements condemning the move. Payton was concerned at first that it might be seen as “an anorak’s issue”, but he needn’t have worried. As the day progressed the cacophony of rage crescendoed as fans vented on social media, in group chats, on radio call-ins, to their partners, to their kids. “It just took hold at every level,” says Payton. “That cultural impact hit everybody.”

Supporters’ groups in Liverpool vowed to take down their banners from the Kop; European football’s governing body, Uefa, threatened to ban any players involved from next year’s World Cup; even Prince William, president of the Football Association, said the move “risked damaging the game we love”.

Michael Brunskill, the head of communications at the FSA, says that at one point he wondered if there was anyone left to lobby. “I was just waiting for Joe Biden to start tweeting about it,” he says. With so much at stake, fan representatives reached out beyond the big six. “We didn’t want to ever look like we were a breakaway ourselves,” says Payton. “But we knew that we had to act as a six because it was our clubs that had been the scabs.”

Blott reached out to one of his best mates, an organiser at the supporters’ club of rivals Everton – the first club to condemn the plans, in a strongly worded statement – and messages of support came from fan groups up and down the football leagues.
“People think there’s this rivalry, and for 90 minutes on a Saturday, yeah, of course,” he says. “The rest of the time there’s more that unites us than divides us. That’s critically important and it’s something these owners would never understand.”

By 5pm on Monday, after 24 hours of sustained lobbying, the government said it would do “whatever it takes” to prevent English clubs from joining the new league. At 9pm the FSA and supporters’ clubs were told they had secured a meeting with Boris Johnson the following morning. Beforehand, the groups discussed tactics, choosing representatives from Manchester United, Arsenal and Spurs to be on the Zoom call.

“We were all very aware that [Johnson] responds to warmth and [not] aggression or direct challenge, and so that was the way the meeting had to be,” says Duncan Drasdo, the CEO of the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust. Payton, who was also on the Tuesday morning call alongside Kat Law, a co-chair of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust, sensed the tide had already turned. At the end of the 30 minutes Johnson had promised to do everything in his power to stop the league going ahead. If necessary he would drop a “legislative bomb”, he added.

The pressure began to tell. Analysts suggested the billionaire owners of Chelsea and Manchester City were wavering because, unlike the American owners of Liverpool and Manchester United, they had bought football clubs to enhance their prestige, not to make money. By mid-afternoon that day, fans were gathering in protest outside Chelsea’s ground. “We knew if we made a lot of noise, it would count for something,” says Dan Silver, a board member of the Chelsea Supporters’ Trust.

The former Chelsea and Everton player Pat Nevin, covering that night’s match against Brighton for BBC radio, witnessed the atmosphere first-hand as he travelled to the ground. “I walked through a group of fans … that wasn’t just Chelsea fans,” he said. “These fans were doing the right thing, and no one was calling them together, they just knew that it had to be done. I was absolutely elated. If you hear me in the first minutes of doing my commentary I’m absolutely buzzing.”

At 9.23pm, Manchester City became the first club to announce they were quitting the project, followed over the next few hours by the rest of the English breakaway clubs. “Each time one went down it was like a goal had been scored,” said Payton.
But will the end of the Super League lead to permanent change, with clubs now having to pay more attention to their fans?

United’s Drasdo is clear-eyed about the challenge ahead. His group has seen an influx of paid-up supporters, but fan outrage only gets you so far. “Right from the start we argued that this was just the first battle. Until you change the structure of the ownership of these clubs, they are going to keep coming back,” he says. “Protest is useful, but it’s not the thing that actually changes anything. Our focus has to be on the area where we’ve got the best chance of winning – on the political or financial battlefield.”

But Nevin says something fundamental has changed. “This is basically a wake-up call for those owners: you dare try that again, the fans now know their power.”

Focus will turn to a government-led review of English football led by the former sports minister Tracey Crouch, which will look at ownership, governance and regulation and explore measures that fan groups have called for for years, such as measures to protect club identity, and Germany’s 50%+1 model for club ownership, which give fans a majority stake.

There is a massive opportunity, says the Spurs group’s Law, but the challenge will be keeping the momentum. “Governance isn’t normally a sexy subject, but we really need people to be interested in it because we’ve seen what happens when they’re not,” she says. Reps may have to wait for some rest. “It’s been great and thrilling and is what you do it for, but Jesus it has been hard work as well,” she says. The bungled breakaway has brought radical change closer than it has been in decades, argues Payton. “I should probably send them a thank you card at the end of the week,” he says. “Actually, that would really piss them off, I might do it.”

Back in Liverpool, Blott doesn’t doubt this is the first fight of many. But when the next one comes, fans will be ready.
“Let’s not breathe a sigh of relief and say thank goodness that’s gone away,” he says. “Let’s use the power we’ve found, collectively use it to get the necessary changes. That’s what we all want, that’s the game that we grew up on. It should still be football for the people.”

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Re:How the ESL was dealt the killer blow, for now b by BoroNo7 User: BoroNo7

Posted: 30/4/2021 at 08:58:21, 63 views. In reply to 'How the ESL was dealt the killer blow, for now'

“That’s what we all want, that’s the game that we grew up on. It should still be football for the people”

Agreed - but given the scale of the finances at the top of the game and the level of “reward” those involved at that level now expect it’s hard to see how we can put the genie back in the bottle - a genie that’s been running wild for the past 30 years since the launch of the PL

The cost of attending a PL game in real terms is far greater than it was to attended Div 1 30 years ago & “gate money” is now only a relatively small percentage of income for most top clubs

Call me a cynic but the outrage coming from that “Left behind 14” strikes me not as righteous anger but sour grapes that they too had not been included in the plan - short memories at those clubs who themselves had pulled a similar trick when the PL was founded

I think Guadiola’s intervention was important when he said “ it’s not sport if success does not depend on effort “

Pat Nevin is mentioned in the Guardian article and I also heard him being interviewed on Radio and he put forward a thought that Real & Barca in particular were backing this idea as they saw it as their last chance to avoid being overwhelmed by clubs increasingly backed by sovereign wealth funding

We’ve come a long way from Sheffield F.C. in 1857 !

Meanwhile back in the real world - UTB

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