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NRSC Final by Dewsbury User: Dewsbury

Posted: 21/3/2019 at 16:59:10, 15 views.

Do we have a date for the NRSC final yet? Or do we know when it is going to be announced?

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U19’s by Dewsbury User: Dewsbury

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 09:11:57, 100 views.

Did the U19 team play last night? I had it in my calendar that they were away at Huddersfield YMCA.

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This game was moved due to unavailability of pitch… by SAFC Admin

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 14:38:24, 103 views. In reply to 'U19’s'

League Website:

http://fulltime-league.thefa.com/Index.do?divisionseason=89706910&league=7166491

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Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by BoroNo7 User: BoroNo7

Posted: 19/3/2019 at 21:48:22, 184 views.

Call me a cynic if you will, but there must be more to the recent sacking of SK than meets the eye

After Saturday’s very brief statement the Chairman issued a fuller statement in which he thanked SK and CB for their efforts and which included this passage :-

“We have been successful over the past three years under the stewardship of Steve Kittrick, reaching three cup finals, reaching the play-offs and having a promotion in our first season back home in Scarborough.Chairman Trevor Bull wished to put on record; Steve has instigated some fantastic times at the football club. I want to thank Steve and Chris for all they have done for Scarborough Athletic.Since the end of 2018 our form hasn’t been great and we have decided that we want to move the club in a different direction next season and we want to start making preparations for 2019/20.”

A football fan landing from Mars and reading that could be excused for thinking that SK had done a very good job over 3.5 years and that he had been sacked because “Since the end of 2018 our form hasn’t been great “ (12 weeks) and we have decided that we want to move the club in a different direction “

The obvious 2 questions which come to my mind are :-

- just what direction do the Board have in mind after 3 seasons of continuous upward travel

- what might a prospective new manager think about his potential new employers if they admit that 12 weeks of form that “ hasn’t been great” after 3 seasons of constant improvement and success brings the sack

As I said at the beginning I think there’s more to this than we currently know

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RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by SeadogBlade

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 06:06:08, 154 views. In reply to 'Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

The different direction could be using younger more local lads.

SK as people may know didn’t utilise the local talent in the area as much,
maybe this could be that different direction?

Als could be use less contracted players, as it looks like it may have
cost us more from dealings with Leon Scott and may of caused fractions
between contracted players and non contracted players.

That two options of going in a different direction.

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RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by Guy Fawkes User: Guy Fawkes

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 13:06:54, 149 views. In reply to 'Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

I think that’s a fair post, albeit I didn’t see too many questions when SK wanted to take a different direction when he got rid of Mark Hume back in January. Nobody seemed to ask what direction he wanted to take…………… and at that point we were in a downward spiral, and matters don’t seem to have taken a better turn for that decision.

From a shaky start, SK has generally done well. Having had a great start to the 2017/18 season, the Board decided to back him, and granted further funds for, what may be described as a marquee signing (Walshaw). That ‘gamble’ worked with us gaining promotion - but the resulting cost increase can be seen in those Audited Accounts. That new wage structure was presumably the starting point for finances this year, and given comments in his interviews, we appear to have more players contracted than ever before.

What’s to say that, given a fantastic (and unexpected) start to this season, the Board haven’t done the same again? We’ve signed more and more players, albeit a) personally speaking, with one exception, I don’t believe the team has been improved and b) they all seem VERY similar (positionally and style).

For my money, from the position we were in at the end of October, we appear to have wasted an opportunity. Signings haven’t been great, results have been poor, and the style of play confusing at best. You can start to see that with Saturday’s crowd too. 300 down from where we’ve been at say average £7 net per person is 2 grand short……………… plus bar takings, programmes, food etc etc. If chatter is anything to go by, the Manager is on a fair wedge - and like someone posted the other day, has assistants coming out of his ears. The question for me to answer then, is ‘am I getting value for money?’

As far as I’m concerned the answer is NO (was I ever??) and so I am fully supportive of the Board’s ‘different direction’. If that means bringing through some youth (and a good number of you have waxed lyrical about the style of play of the youngsters we have), or cutting out some of the hangers on / deadwood, then so be it.

I think it needs freshening up.- and a change of Manager the start of that process.

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RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by cynic

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 16:08:40, 131 views. In reply to 'Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

You may well be right that there is more to this than meets the eye (there often is, the Board will be closer to the players than most on here) but I wouldn’t read to much into the Chairman’s comments, they’re fairly standard and he isn’t going to say we’ve sacked him because we think…..etc etc. The MUFC board said something similar about Jose…bet you a lot of money the official statement is nothing close to what they were actually thinking.

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RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 18:34:32, 109 views. In reply to 'RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

I too was very intrigued by the “different direction” comment.

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RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by cynic

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 18:39:26, 110 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

Both of you might be right and there’s an implication in the ‘different direction’ on the other hand would you get rid of someone and say you didn’t want change? Who knows? I don’t.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by beckywitch User: beckywitch

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 19:58:45, 104 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

He did go on a bit about not having enough money and not being able to put more players on contract. Maybe we need someone more willing to work within our budget?

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by Guy Fawkes User: Guy Fawkes

Posted: 20/3/2019 at 21:25:20, 107 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

We seem a bit defensive of our ex manager here - and that doesn’t sit well with me.

About a month back I asked on here what had changed since SK chucked Mark Hume under the bus for a ‘different direction’. Not one of you answered (apart from Geoff as I’d opened up an angle for him to discuss the latest performance). Seems to me that you are more concerned with asking the Chairman about his ‘different direction’ than you were the ex Manager about his change of direction. And that’s not on.

We’ve got players on contract, who he now has sat in the stand. Players WE are paying for, whether they get a game or not. Are they putting any more effort in now they have a contract? And he presumably wanted to hand those contracts out - so now I’m questioning his judgement. Managers will always want more money, because that is their get out clause - not the fact they couldn’t get the best from their resources.

If someone can get a better tune out of the same players, then good on them. If that person can get better value for money with the same or lower budget even better. BUT, I don’t care if its an excuse or not, if we have a new direction or not, Trevor and the Board have made a call for the better of this club. End of!

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 21/3/2019 at 01:20:58, 85 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

It would just be interesting to know what the “different direction” is, wouldn’t it? Kittricks different direction was to get rid of Hume and bring back his old assistant - it wasn’t difficult to work that one out :)

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by guy fawkes User: guy fawkes

Posted: 21/3/2019 at 07:42:26, 76 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

And that hasn’t really worked has it?

The chairman’s new direction is to get rid of the manager and his assistant and bring somebody new in. Not hard to work that out either - so let’s move on and stop looking for hidden meanings behind this decision 😄

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards? by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 21/3/2019 at 12:49:34, 66 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sideways,Backwards,Downwards?'

There was an implied change in philosophy. People are entitled to be curious as to what that might be, that doesn’t necessarily constitute support for the outgoing management team

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Present squad by Cynic

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 16:06:13, 255 views.

Will keep out of any discussions about managers etc but don’t think any new manager would need to make any overly dramatic changes to the actual squad as with a bit of tweaking there is potentially still the basis of a more than decent team. Just my opinion.

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RE: Present squad by geoff hooley

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 17:09:38, 261 views. In reply to 'Present squad'

thi s team , to finish 6th or near abouts to my mind would have been fine . never been a fan of kt , because of is signings midfield and defence how many of this team would make there mark .higher up maybe three.

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RE: RE: Present squad by Cynic

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 19:17:25, 216 views. In reply to 'RE: Present squad'

If you’ve got 3 players of a higher standard and the rest are about at their level I’d say you shouldn’t be far away from being successful Geoff (not forgetting players of a higher standard usually cost more so we can’t realistically expect to have a team full of higher level players).

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RE: RE: RE: Present squad by deep seadog User: deep seadog

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 19:28:13, 187 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: Present squad'

we have enough good players, just need to get them into a system that allows them to play

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RE: RE: RE: RE: Present squad by Jaconelli tickled me

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 23:04:32, 197 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: Present squad'

Nonsense, we’ve got 5 or 6 players deciding when they play. They need the Spanish Archer.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Present squad by cynic

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 23:08:34, 262 views. In reply to 'RE: RE: RE: RE: Present squad'

Even if correct, that’s a management issue, surely?

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David Holland Way by Ant Taylor

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 14:30:06, 191 views.

Would love it if I could get you guys to look at this proposal & if you agree with what I’m trying to do can you please sign.

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/david-holland-way

Also give it a share!!!

Thank you to the people who have signed and shared!

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SN manager candidates by Armchairdog User: Armchairdog

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 12:32:42, 191 views.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/sport/football/the-11-top-candidates-to-take-over-as-scarborough-athletic-manager-1-9655267?page=2

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Brett Agnew to boro ???? by Bobby

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 12:00:30, 188 views.

Rumours Agnew to boro

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hang your heads in shame.. by Terry Hope

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 21:42:38, 314 views.

.. those who chanted “Kittrick out" after we went 2-1 down. Whatever shortcomings he has been an asset to the club and taken us in the right direction. He deserves better than this behaviour.

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RE: hang your heads in shame.. by leicesterlad

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 22:33:02, 241 views. In reply to 'hang your heads in shame..'

We have been hanging our heads in despair all season watching absolute garbage. Long ball going nowhere after long ball going nowhere. SK has (had) no clue about managing his team over ninety minutes. Let’s hope whoever replaces him (win or lose) can give us entertaining football.UTB.

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Quotes from Trevor Bull on the sacking… by Paper User: Paper

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:20:19, 274 views.

https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/manager-steve-kittrick-and-assistant-chris-bolder-depart-scarborough-athletic-1-9655016

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I am backing Trevor & the board by deep seadog User: deep seadog

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 12:46:56, 886 views. In reply to 'Quotes from Trevor Bull on the sacking…'

On the face of it its harsh given the previous two years but, the current state of affairs would seem to justify the decision, the football on offer is pretty appalling at the moment, the team selection would appear to be done by putting all the squad in a hat and pulling 11 names out, a team with no obvious shape, no width and the most creative players left out completely, I don’t believe the play offs is realistic now so just hope someone can give us a structure to play more attractive football and perhaps give some of our youngsters a sniff at getting into the first team. add too that one of our lowest attendances of the season yesterday the correct decision.

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RE: I am backing Trevor & the board by Tree User: Tree

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 13:17:39, 221 views. In reply to 'I am backing Trevor & the board'

Though it isn’t the decision I would have taken, the board are in the strongest position to make it. I haven’t seen enough of us of late to comment to too great an extent, but we certainly seem to have lost our way for sure.

For my part, I’d like to echo the words of others in setting out my thanks to Steve for all his hard work and to recognise his achievements. The upward trajectory has been significant - from escaping relegation, to a playoff appearance, automatic promotion and now sitting in playoff contention. That’s serious progress in three and a bit years. Throw in three cup finals and a great cup run, it’s been a real adventure. So, thanks Steve, let’s hope our paths cross again with both having been successful.

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RE: RE: I am backing Trevor & the board by Burniston User: Burniston

Posted: 17/3/2019 at 15:17:25, 200 views. In reply to 'RE: I am backing Trevor & the board'

Fully agree Tree. My only gripe has been some team selection issues for a while now but also accept that we don’t know what has been going on in the background and in training.

I have always made myself a promise not to publicly name any player on here that I am not happy with but I am going to partly exempt myself from that promise as we have had a certain midfielder for some time now who would not even get on the bench in my team selection (well maybe). In all the time I have seen him, & that is all home games, he has only had one good game with the rest just winding us up. I think yesterday he made 1 (ONE) decent pass with the other 95% going astray or having the ball taken from him. I get the ‘keep it cool - keep possession’ thing & so passing back is not always a bad thing but with this player you can see it is the first thing on his mind and it infuriates the fans especially when he has the time to turn & move forward to create something upfront. Many goals from either side often come from quick breakaways before the defences get time to settle but this guy is so slow we rarely get this chance.

I am grateful to SK for all he has done and thank him & sorry it has ended like this. I am also sorry to see Chris Bolder go as he seemed a good inspiration & feel he had the respect of the players and fans. Best wishes to you both.

PMA

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Lee Sinnott by Dan

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:14:58, 219 views.

Given the boot by Gainsborough a couple of weeks back, former Boro player, l wonder if his availability prompted the board to act now rather than wait any longer…

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Good manager by Joe90

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:22:23, 217 views. In reply to 'Lee Sinnott'

I do believe the team he had at Gainsborough was a more attractive side than us and had some winners in their team. But given the circumstances I believe we need to look to next year and yes only 4 points behind but possibly well below the level really required.. let’s not rush and see what we can attract.. I personally think the whole team could do with a freshen up which means many of the favourites shown the door.

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manager by buglass

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:27:20, 182 views. In reply to 'Good manager '

Russell slade for me

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Slade by Joe90

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:31:56, 169 views. In reply to 'manager'

We can only dream.. I doubt we could ever afford him and appeal to him at this level.. the only positive him perhaps still living in the area at least that’s what I understand but going back a number of years. He may well be the impact for a final promotion push until the end of the season.. (bring back wright)

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Are you drinking? by Derek Abbey’s barnet

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 21:09:28, 187 views. In reply to 'Slade'

Slade??? More chance of getting Noddy Holder

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Family still around Cardiff (NT) by The Red Baron User: The Red Baron

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 21:17:11, 138 views. In reply to 'Slade'


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Kittrick Sacked by Armchairdog User: Armchairdog

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:23:00, 249 views.

SN reporting

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RE: Kittrick Sacked by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:28:48, 208 views. In reply to 'Kittrick Sacked'

A victim of his own success - if we’d spent the season just outside the playoffs in our first year at this level it would’ve been fine really, but to be top earlier on and then have a slump to being 4 points outside the playoffs it makes it look like a bad season

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RE: RE: Kittrick Sacked by geoff hooley

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:35:22, 199 views. In reply to 'RE: Kittrick Sacked'

didn’t see your post, before mine but agree with yours

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Key decisions by Joe90

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:38:38, 205 views. In reply to 'RE: Kittrick Sacked'

Terrible signings at Christmas when only 2 Stella ones were required. Kept faith with his favourites far to long. Piss poor player management had to many favourites and easy to drop his others.. Harpered on about younger players but never gave them a chance just what we want to hear.. I think this season is over perhaps let’s manage to the end off. Regroup and go again with daz kelly lives in York and has plenty of contacts

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RE: Key decisions by Watch the pennies

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:42:58, 187 views. In reply to 'Key decisions '

The club is in serious financial trouble. Now promotion is unlikely this is a necessary saving.

Troubled times ahead.

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RE: RE: Key decisions by dogtanian User: dogtanian

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:54:02, 167 views. In reply to 'RE: Key decisions '

Saving? If he’s been sacked then surely he’ll be paid until the end of his contract won’t he? Or are things different at our level?

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Hume by Joe90

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:44:07, 183 views. In reply to 'Key decisions '

And the sacking off was a smoke screen.. very tactful.. early December was the start of the rot, the odd win covered up the issues. Hume was just unlucky and was easily blamed. There was no other direction.

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I told you this a month ago by Derek Abbey’s barnet

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:56:50, 200 views. In reply to 'Hume'

At least it’s £650 back on the weekly playing budget unless we were naive enough to put him on a contract. In which case we’re screwed

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thank you steve by red devil

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:12:07, 179 views. In reply to 'RE: Kittrick Sacked'

is the paul scholes rumour true

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thank you steve by red devil

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:12:08, 156 views. In reply to 'RE: Kittrick Sacked'

is the paul scholes rumour true

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Kittrick sacked - Perspective needed by BoroNo7 User: BoroNo7

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:32:36, 211 views. In reply to 'RE: Kittrick Sacked'

Enoch Powell once said “All political careers ultimately end in failure” …and I would add… “ and all football managers too”

I’m not sure about current relationships within the team and Club as a whole . Promotion always brings with it the need to improve and strengthen the team but SK’s attempts to do this appear not to have been too successful and performances since the autumn have been on the decline .To me the team now seems to have lost its way and lacks structure and self-belief.

However I think we owe SK our thanks for a successful 3.5 seasons and some memorable times along the way. We should remember that when he arrived we were on the verge of relegation back to the NCEL and he now leaves us dis-satisfied with being 6th in the Evo-Stik Premier

There have been some suggestions on here that we have financial problems, I’ve no idea if this is so.However I have been unconvinced that a team operating at our level needs a manager,assistant manager and 1st team coach - it is not clear to me watching from the stands that the Asst Manager and 1st team Coach roles are clearly defined and I’d urge the Board to reflect on this before making any new appointments - for reasons of both operational clarity and financial value for money.

Looking back to Aug 2017 a top 8 finish this season would represent good progress , we need to keep a sense of perspective and re-structure both on and off the field ready for a good push for promotion in season 19/20 - but we don’t have a divine right to expect this !

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Too much player power by Derek Abbey’s barnet

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 20:56:57, 212 views. In reply to 'Kittrick sacked - Perspective needed'

When there are players on £500 per week dictating when they will (& more importantly won’t) play, it’s a mess. I appreciate it’s a long way from South Yorkshire (for instance) but the techtonic plates haven’t moved recently, so it’s the same travel time that it was when we were winning

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Re: Too much player power by Tommy Wooton

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 23:05:08, 205 views. In reply to 'Too much player power'

Who are you suggesting earns £500 a week and chooses whether they play or not? I didn’t much care for Mr Kittrick’s style of play or his tactics, so his departure hasn’t upset me that much. Regardless, I would never believe that he would ever allow any player to ‘dictate’ anything to him, let alone whether they play or not. I have also never heard a player say coming to Scarborough is too far. Please name names.

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Why are we conceding so many late goals? by Armchairdog User: Armchairdog

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:04:27, 115 views.

Matlock (H) - 2-1 up on 90 mins, conceded in 90th min - DREW
Nantwich (H) - 2-1 up then conceded in 83th and 85th min - LOST
Witton (A) - 1-0 up with 8 mins to play - conceded twice - LOST
Stalybridge (H): 1-0 up with 3 mins to play, conceded twice - LOST

That’s 11 points blown. Other notable late collapses have been:

South Shields (H) - conceded two goals in last 11 mins after being level at 1-1 - LOST
Hyde (A) - conceded two goals in quick succession in last 15 mins, hung on to win 3-2

By my calculations, in the league, nearly HALF of the 48 goals against us have been scored in the last 15 minutes. So, is it a fitness issue? Are other teams fitter than us? Is it just poor game management?

Why are we conceding so many late goals?

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Ironic by Southern dog

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:11:48, 81 views. In reply to 'Why are we conceding so many late goals?'

Considering our manager harps on about first 10 last 10, this is laughable.

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RE: Why are we conceding so many late goals? by geoff hooley

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:24:53, 87 views. In reply to 'Why are we conceding so many late goals?'

haveing crap defenders might have summat to do with it. the reshuffle of the back four could be a factor. ps j Jackson went before the game ,didn’t look overjoyed.

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Kitkats final game ? by Borotillidie User: Borotillidie

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 17:44:42, 196 views.


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apparently yes by deep seadog User: deep seadog

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:19:29, 117 views. In reply to 'Kitkats final game ?'

just been anounced

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RE: apparently yes by geoff hooley

Posted: 16/3/2019 at 19:33:43, 107 views. In reply to 'apparently yes'

poor signings are the main factor in my opinion ,who ever comes in will have to have a good clearout., but I think the club expected too much this season

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GOLDEN GAMBLE WINNING NUMBER IS 36449 by Old Git

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