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ESL by BoroNo7 User: BoroNo7

Posted: 21/4/2021 at 08:24:24, 73 views.

Dead in the water thank goodness - but beware they will be back !

Here’s a quote from today’s Guardian by the UK’s best writer on football matters - David Conn

“Amid the fury and denunciation, there is something terribly sad about football’s new self-inflicted crisis. Instead of emerging from an epochal pandemic more collegiate, resolving to rebuild together, greed has scrambled out first from the wreckage, as a few clubs bulldoze their way to more riches.”

How true !

Perhaps the Germans with their 50%+1 rule have helped to saved us - a European League without Bayern ?

UTB

Edited on 21/04/21 at 08:26:38
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A wake up call to fans? by Old Git

Posted: 21/4/2021 at 11:26:10, 70 views. In reply to 'ESL'

Scenes on TV news of Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd holding protests outside grounds
has shown how the fans feel but this will not be enough, the owners of these clubs are powerful ambitious people
who are not used to being thwarted in their chase for more profit and power.

There will be other club owners keeping an eye on what happens next and I don’t mean tomorrow but over the next few years.
You know the sort, the ones who will jump on the gravy train when others have done all the development work.
What we have now is a period of calm while these wealthy club owners try to come up with another money making scheme and we should still be worried. Fans have to come up with a strategy to force the issue in their favour while the club owners think about what this defeat means for them.

The Conservative government is making a lot of noise about supporting the fans, opposing the ESL and coming up with options to give fans more power and limit the ambitions of club owners. There’s elections due in a week or so and we musn’t let the government off the hook as they use the situation to grab the votes of football supporters.
Never forget that during this pandemic the Tories put a return for Fox Hunting before they relaxed the Covid rules for football. I’m still trying to remember which football team David Cameron claimed to support. Was it West Villa City or Aston Park Wanderers, anyone know?

Seems FCUM and AFC Liverpool sensed the way the wind was blowing, that fan owned clubs was the way forward and along with a handful of clubs have recently had to rebuild our club from the bottom. I was gonna say from ‘the ground up’ but we didn’t even have our own ground for over a decade.

As Seadogs we have been able to experience something that the millions who support league clubs never will, we have started our own club, financed it ourselves, organised it ourselves and like other recent clubs have won promotion and won the odd trophy. We have been allowed to develop, something to which the ESL is opposed, it was only there there for a few select, wealthy teams. No promotion, no relegation and the same games popping up season after season, it was though someone said ‘You know what, I think we should start a new and profitable super league built on the design of the Scottish Premier League, with the small change being, no relegation, what can go wrong friends, it’s a winner!’.

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Super League cannot go ahead after eight clubs pull out by Old Git

Posted: 21/4/2021 at 11:45:20, 46 views. In reply to 'A wake up call to fans?'

copied from today’s Guardian as I couldn’t get a workable link.

Agnelli admits Super League cannot go ahead after eight clubs pull out

The European Super League founder and Juventus chairman, Andrea Agnelli, has said that the breakaway can no longer go ahead after eight clubs withdrew. Asked whether the project could still happen after the exits, Agnelli told Reuters:
“To be frank and honest no, evidently that is not the case.” Agnelli insisted he remained convinced that European football needed to change and had no regrets about the way the breakaway attempt was made. “I remain convinced of the beauty of that project,” he said, stating it would have created the best competition in the world. “But admittedly … I mean, I don’t think that that project is now still up and running.” The Italian claimed other clubs were ready to join the new European league before the English sides left. “I’m not going to say how many clubs contacted me in just 24 hours asking if they could join,” he said, declining to name them. “Maybe they lied, but I was contacted by a number of teams asking what they could do to join.”

Agnelli said he felt the British government’s intervention, with prime minister Boris Johnson threatening legislation to stop the breakaway, had pushed the English clubs to withdraw. “I have had speculation to that extent that if six teams would have broken away and would have threatened the EPL, politics would have seen that as an attack to Brexit and their political scheme,” he said. “If you tell me other methods for putting together such projects … if you were to ask the authorisation of others, I don’t think you would have carried out a project like this. The relations are there, I have seen relations changing in time, some people I am quite sure that people will be open and talk to each other. I don’t think our industry is a particularly sincere, trustworthy or reliable one in general.”

Earlier, the Super League had vowed to “reshape the project” after its plans were left in tatters. Chelsea led the way on Tuesday, signalling an abrupt U-turn only 48 hours after Sunday’s bombshell announcement about the creation of the controversial league. Manchester City followed suit before Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Tottenham completed the Premier League contingent’s embarrassing volte face. On Wednesday morning, both Atlético Madrid and Internazionale signalled their exits too.

“Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due to the pressure on them, we are convinced our proposal is fully aligned with European law and regulations,” an ESL statement read. “Given the current circumstances, we shall reconsider the most appropriate steps to reshape the project, always having in mind our goals of offering fans the best experience possible while enhancing solidarity payments for the entire football community.”

Milan are reportedly also considering jumping ship, leaving a third Serie A club, Juventus, and the Spanish pair of Real Madrid and Barcelona as the last standing members of the breakaway group.

The six Premier League clubs bailed after a furious backlash to the plan from fans, players and managers over the past two days. The UK government expressed its willingness to use legislation to derail the project, while there was also a royal intervention from Prince William. Meanwhile, the Football Association threatened sanctions on clubs and bans for players at rebel teams, as did Uefa – the European governing body – and Fifa, its global counterpart.

Yet undeterred by the fallout, the ESL, headed by Real Madrid’s president, Florentino Pérez, said it remained committed to getting the project up and running, even though any competition that did emerge would bear little resemblance to what was originally planned.

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